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I've just read a fascinating article by Andrew Liptak on the Science Fiction Hall of Fame anthology series, which attempted to collect the all time best science fiction stories published before 1965.

Ray Bradbury is represented in the first volume of the series by "Mars is Heaven!", but there is a fascinating backstory to how the story came to be included, which should be of interest to folks around here. The article can be found here:

https://www.kirkusreviews.com/...ll-fame-anthologies/
 
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Great site and information within the article, dSP! It brought back thoughts of my days in the classroom when I taught an elective SF Lit program (also as a distance learning course). The great names included in Hall of Fame will never be matched in any genre!
(*Is SF still as inspiring today as it was during our youth?!)

Here is a take-home I would assign to get the students thinking "outside of the box" as the first couple of weeks were being outlined. (A bit long, but classic definitions offered by each author!)

WHAT IS SCIENCE FICTION?
Quotes from Greatest Authors of the Genre:

Brian W. Aldiss
Science fiction is the search for definition of man and his status in the universe which will stand in our advanced but confused state of knowledge (science), and is characteristically cast in the Gothic or post-Gothic mould.
Trillion Year Spree: the History of Science Fiction (London, 1986)

Dick Allen
Is it any wonder that a new generation has rediscovered science fiction, rediscovered a form of literature that argues through its intuitive force that the individual can shape and change and influence and triumph; that man can eliminate both war and poverty; that miracles are possible; that love, if given a chance, can become the main driving force of human relationships?

Kingsley Amis
Science Fiction is that class of prose narrative treating of a situation that could not arise in the world we know, but which is hypothesized on the basis of some innovation in science or technology, or pseudo-technology, whether human or extra-terresial in origin. New Maps Of Hell (London, 1960)

Benjamin Appel
Science fiction reflects scientific thought; a fiction of things-to-come based on things-on-hand.
The Fantastic Mirror-SF Across The Ages (Panthenon 1969)

Isaac Asimov
Modern science fiction is the only form of literature that consistently considers the nature of the changes that face us, the possible consequences, and the possible solutions.
That branch of literature which is concerned with the impact of scientific advance upon human beings. (1952)

James O. Bailey
The touchstone for scientific fiction, then, is that it describes an imaginary invention or discovery in the natural sciences. The most serious pieces of this fiction arise from speculation about what may happen if science makes an extraordinary discovery. The romance is an attempt to anticipate this discovery and its impact upon society, and to foresee how mankind may adjust to the new condition.
Pilgrims Through Space and Time (New York, 1947)

Gregory Benford
SF is a controlled way to think and dream about the future. An integration of the mood and attitude of science (the objective universe) with the fears and hopes that spring from the unconscious. Anything that turns you and your social context, the social you, inside out. Nightmares and visions, always outlined by the barely possible.

Ray Bradbury
Science fiction is really sociological studies of the future, things that the writer believes are going to happen by putting two and two together.

John Boyd
Science fiction is story-telling, usually imaginative as distinct from realistic fiction, which poses the effects of current or extrapolated scientific discoveries, or a single discovery, on the behavior of individuals of society. Mainstream fiction gives imaginative reality to probable events within a framework of the historical past or present; science fiction gives reality to possible events, usually in the future, extrapolated from present scientific knowledge or existing cultural and social trends. Both genres ordinarily observe the unities and adhere to a cause-and-effect schema.

Reginald Bretnor
Science Fiction: fiction based on rational speculation regarding the human experience of science and its resultant technologies.

Paul Brians
[Science Fiction is:] a subdivision of fantastic literature which employs science or rationalism to create an appearance of plausibility.

John Brunner
As its best, SF is the medium in which our miserable certainty that tomorrow will be different from today in ways we cant predict, can be transmuted to a sense of excitement and anticipation, occasionally evolving into awe. Poised between intransigent scepticism and uncritical credulity, it is par excellence the literature of the open mind.

John W. Campbell, Jr.
The major distinction between fantasy and science fiction is, simply, that science fiction uses one, or a very, very few new postulates, and develops the rigidly consistent logical consequences of these limited postulates. Fantasy makes its rules as it goes along...The basic nature of fantasy is "The only rule is, make up a new rule any time you need one!" The basic rule of science fiction is "Set up a basic proposition--then develop its consistent, logical consequences." Introduction, Analog 6, Garden City, New York, 1966

Terry Carr
Science Fiction is literature about the future, telling stories of the marvels we hope to see--or for our descendants to see--tomorrow, in the next century, or in the limitless duration of time.
Introduction, Dream's Edge, Sierre Club Books, San Fransisco, 1980

Groff Conklin
The best definition of science fiction is that it consists of stories in which one or more definitely scientific notion or theory or actual discovery is extrapolated, played with, embroided on, in a non-logical, or fictional sense, and thus carried beyond the realm of the immediately possible in an effort to see how much fun the author and reader can have exploring the imaginary outer reaches of a given idea's potentialities.

Edmund Crispin
A science fiction story is one which presupposes a technology, or an effect of technology, or a disturbance in the natural order, such as humanity, upto the time of writing, has not in actual fact experienced.
Best Science Fiction Stories (London, 1955)

L. Sprague De Camp
Therefore, no matter how the world makes out in the next few centuries, a large class of readers at least will not be too surprised at anything. They will have been through it all before in fictional form, and will not be too paralyzed with astonishment to try to cope with contingencies as they arise.

Lester Del Rey
... science fiction "is the myth-making principle of human nature today."

Gordon R. Dickson
In short, the straw of a manufactured realism with wich the sf writer makes his particular literary bricks must be entirely convincing to the reader in it own right, or the whole story will lose its power to convince.

Bruce Franklin
We talk a lot about science fiction as extrapolation, but in fact most science fiction does not extrapolate seriously. Instead it takes a willful, often whimsical, leap into a world spun out of the fantasy of the author....

Bruce H. Franklin
In fact, one good working definition of science fiction may be the literature which, growing with science and technology, evaluates it and relates it meaningfully to the rest of human existence

Northrop Frye
Science fiction frequently tries to imagine what life would be like on a plane as far above us as we are above savagery; its setting is often of a kind that appears to us technologically miraculous. It is thus a mode of romance with a strong tendency to myth.

Vincent H. Gaddis
Science fiction expressses the dreams that, varied and modified, later becomes the visions and then the realities in scientific progress. Unlike fantasy they present probabilities in their basic structure and create a reservoir of imaginative thought that sometimes can inspire more practical thinking.

Hugo Gernsback
By "scientification,"... I mean the Jules Verne, H. G. Wells, and Edgar Allan Poe type of story---a charming romance intermingled with scientific fact and prophetic vision.

Amit Goswami
Science Fiction is that class of fiction which contains the currents of change in science and society. It concerns itself with the critique, extension, revision, and conspiracy of revolution, all directed against static scientific paradigms. Its goal is to prompt a paradigm shift to a new view that will be more responsive and true to nature.
The Cosmic Dancers (New York, 1983)

James E. Gunn
Science Fiction is the branch of literature that deals with the effects of change on people in the real world as it can be projected into the past, the future, or to distant places. It often concerns itself with scientific or technological change, and it usually involves matters whose importance is greater than the individual or the community; often civilization or the race itself is in danger.
Introduction, The Road To Science Fiction, Vol 1, NEL, New York 1977

Gerald Heard
Science fiction in the hand of character-draughtsman can create a new contemporary tension-of-choice, new moral decisions, and so indicate how they may be faced or flunked. In its [science fiction's] aim it is bound, by its extrapolation of science and its use of dramatic plot, to view man and his machines and his environment as a three-fold whole, the machine being the hyphen. It also views man's psyche, man's physique and the entire life process as also a threefold interacting unit. Science fiction is the prophetic ... the apocalyptic litterature of our particular culminating epoch of crisis.

Robert A. Heinlein
A handy short definition of almost all science fiction might read: realistic speculation about possible future events, based solidly on adequate knowledge of the real world, past and present, and on a thorough understanding of the nature and significance of the scientific method. To make this definition cover all science fiction (instead of "almost all") it is necessary only to strike out the word "future."
from: Science Fiction: its nature, faults and virtues, in The Science Fiction Novel, Advent, Chicago:1969
Science Fiction is speculative fiction in which the author takes as his first postulate the real worldas we know it, including all established facts and natural laws. The result can be extremely fantastic in content, but it is not fantasy; it is legitimate--and often very tightly reasoned--speculation about the possibilities of the real world. This category excludes rocket ships that make U-turns, serpent men of Neptune that lust after human maidens, and stories by authors who flunked their Boy Scout merit badge tests in descriptive astronomy.
from: Ray Guns And Spaceships, in Expanded Universe, Ace, 1981

Frank Herbert
Science fiction represents the modern heresy and the cutting edge of speculative imagination as it grapples with Mysterious Time---linear or non-linear time.
Our motto is Nothing Secret, Nothing Sacred

Damon Knight
What we get from science fiction---what keeps us reading it, in spite of our doubts and occasional disgust---is not different from the thing that makes mainstream stories rewarding, but only expressed differently. We live on a minute island of known things. Our undiminished wonder at the mystery which surrounds us is what makes us human. In science fiction we can approach that mystery, not in small, everyday symbols, but in bigger ones of space and time.

Sam J. Lundwall
A simplified definition would be that the author of a "straight" science fiction story proceeds from (or alleges to proceed from) known facts, developed in a credible way...

Sam Moskowitz
Science fiction is a branch of fantasy identifiable by the fact that it eases the "willing suspension of disbelief" on the part of its readers by utilizing an atmosphere of scientific credibility for its imaginative speculations in physical science, space, time, social science, and philosophy.

Alexei Panshin
Facts and a concern with change are the stuff that science fiction is made of; science fiction that ignores facts and change can be made less frightening and more popular, but inasmuch as it is superficial, stupid, false-to-fact, timid foolish or dull, it is minor in another and more important way, and it is certainly bad as science fiction.
... its [science fiction's] attraction lies ... in the unique opportunity it offers for placing familiar things in unfamiliar contexts, and unfamiliar things in familiar contexts, thereby yielding fresh insights and perspective.

Frederik Pohl
The future depicted in a good SF story ought to be in fact possible, or at least plausable. That means that the writer should be able to convince the reader (and himself) that the wonders he is describing really can come true...and that gets tricky when you take a good, hard look at the world around you.
The Shape of Things to Come and Why It Is Bad, SFC, December 1991

If anyone were to force me to make a thumbnail description of the differences between SF and fantasy, I think I would say that SF looks towards an imaginary future, while fantasy, by and large, looks towards an imaginary past. Both can be entertaining. Both can possibly be, perhaps sometimes actually are, even inspiring. But as we can't change the past, and can't avoid changing the future, only one of them can be real.

Pohlemic, SFC, May 1992
That's really what SF is all about, you know: the big reality that pervades the real world we live in: the reality of change. Science fiction is the very literature of change. In fact, it is the only such literature we have.

Pohlemic, SFC, May 1992
Does the story tell me something worth knowing, that I had not known before, about the relationship between man and technology? Does it enlighten me on some area of science where I had been in the dark? Does it open a new horizon for my thinking? Does it lead me to think new kinds of thoughts, that I would not otherwise perhaps have thought at all? Does it suggest possibilities about the alternative possible future courses my world can take? Does it illumunate events and trends of today, by showing me where they may lead tomorrow? Does it give me a fresh and objective point of view on my own world and culture, perhaps by letting me see it through the eyes of a different kind of creature entirely, from a planet light-years away?
These qualities are not only among those which make science fiction good, they are what make it unique. Be it never so beautifully written, a story is not a good science fiction story unless it rates high in these aspects. The content of the story is as valid a criterion as the style.
Introduction--SF:Contemporary Mythologies (New York, 1978)

Eric S. Rabkin
A work belongs in the genre of science fiction if its narrative world is at least somewhat different from our own, and if that difference is apparent against the background of an organized body of knowledge.
The Fantastic In Literature (Princeton University Press, 1976)

Dick Riley
At its best, science fiction has no peer in creating another universe of experience, in showing us what we look like in the mirrorof technological society or throught the eyes of a non-human.
Critical Encounters (New York, 1978)

Thomas N. Scortia
... [science fiction has] the humanistic assumption that the laws of nature are amenable to the interpretation of human logic and, more than this, amenable to logical extrapolation.

Tom Shippey
A revealing way of describing science fiction is to say that it is part of a literary mode which one may call "fabril" "Fabril" is the opposite of "Pastoral". But while "the pastoral" is an established and much-discussed literary mode, recognized as such since early antiquity, its dark opposite has not yet been accepted, or even named, by the law-givers of literature. Yet the opposition is a clear one. Pastoral literature is rural, nostalgic, conservative. It idealizes the past and tends to convert complexities into simplicity; its central image is the shepherd. Fabril literature (of which science fiction is now by far the most prominent genre) is overwhelmingly urban, distruptive, future-oriented, eager for novelty; its central images is the "faber", the smith or blacksmith in older usage, but now extended in science fiction to mean the creator of artefacts in general--metallic, crystalline, genetic, or even social. Introd, Oxford Book of Science Fiction, (Oxford, 1992)

Brian Stableford
True science fiction [is] fiction which attempts to build logically coherent imaginary worlds based on premises licensed by the world-view of contemporary science.
(very slight editing from his GOH speech, ConFuse 91)
Science fiction is essentially a kind of fiction in which people learn more about how to live in the real world, visiting imaginary worlds unlike our own, in order to investigate by way of pleasurable thought-experiments how things might be done differently.
(from his GOH speech, ConFuse 91)
What is authentic about genuine science fiction, is that the science fiction writer should not stop with just saying: Well, the plot needs this to happen, therefore I'll just do it and I'll invent an excuse for it being able to be done. Proper science fiction ought to require people to begin to explore the consequences of what they've invented. And thus, I think that science fiction is, in a real sense, capable of being scientific. Not in the sense that it can foresee the future of science, but it can adopt a kind of variation of the scientific method itself, it does feel compelled to explore the consequences of hypotheses and the way things fit together.
(from an interview on Science in SF, ConFuse 91)

Theodore Sturgeon
A science fiction story is a story built around human beings, with a human problem and a human solution, which would not have happened at all without its scientific content.
Definition given by: William Atheling Jr., (James Blish) in The issue at Hand: Studies in Contemporary Magazine Fiction (Chicago, 1964)

Darko Suvin
It [science fiction] should be defined as a fictional tale determined by the hegemonic literary device of a locus and/or dramatis personae that (1) are radically or at least significantly different from empirical times, places, and characters of "mimetic" or "naturalist" fiction, but (2) are nonetheless--to the extent that SF differs from other "fantastic" genres, that is, ensembles of fictional tales without empirical validation--simultaneously perceived as not impossible within the cognitive (cosmological and anthropological) norms of the author's epoch.
Preface, Metamorphoses Of Science Fiction, (Yale University Press, New Haven, 1979)
SF is, then, a literary genre whose necessary and sufficent conditions are the presence and interaction of estrangement and cognition, and whose main formal device is an imaginative framework alternative to the author's empirical environment. Chap 1, Metamorphoses Of Science Fiction, (Yale Press, New Haven, 1979)

Alvin Toffler
By challenging anthropocentricism and temporal provincialism, science fiction throws open the whole of civilization and its premises to constructive criticism.

Jack Williamson
"Hard" science fiction ... probes alternative possible futures by means of reasoned extrapolations in much the same way that good historical fiction reconstructs the probable past. Even far-out fantasy can present a significant test of human values exposed to a new environment. Deriving its most cogent ideas from the tension between permanence and change, science fiction combines the diversions of novelty with its pertinent kind of realism.

Donald A. Wolleheim
Science fiction is that branch of fantasy, which, while not true to present-day knowledge, is rendered plausible by the reader's recognition of the scientific possibilities of it being possible at some future date or at some uncertain point in the past. "The Universe Makers"
 
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Wow! That's an absolutely fascinating lineup, Frank!

Much food for thought there. Since I'm one of those cloud gazers who meditates on the classification and definition of things, I intend to comment on these definitions! Watch this space!

(One of my secret identities is Classification Man. My super-power is to classify things. Stop arguing - just beam out the Classification Signal (or ask Phil, who has the Classification Writwatch that goes "zee zee"), and I'll swoop down and classify things for you. And once Classification Man has spoken, just shuddup.
 
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Andrew Liptak mentions the fact that four Bradbury stories were in the running, with the vote divided among them. Robert Silverberg is apparently unwilling to name the nominees, so that leaves us free to speculate.

There was one other story from The Martian Chronicles, and I'm going to take a wild guess and say it would have been "There Will Come Soft Rains". Or was it "The Million Year Picnic"?

Then we are told that there were two stories from The Illustrated Man. One would certainly be "The Veldt", but the other? Perhaps "The Long Rain?"

Strangely, this leaves some perennially popular Bradbury stories, often anthologised and well known to a general SF readership, out of the loop: "The Fog Horn", "A Sound of Thunder", and "All Summer in a Day". Everybody knows those, so it's surprising they didn't figure.

If it were up to me, I would have had Ray represented by something like "And the Rock Cried Out".
 
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I forgot to mention that Andrew Liptak also conducted an interview with Robert Silverberg, in which much the same information is given, but in Silverberg's own words, which makes it worth reading.

http://andrewliptak.com/2014/0...l-of-fame-anthology/
 
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What an excellent new thread! I have owned the HALL OF FAME anthology for a few years, and never really gave a second thought to how the stories were selected. It is one of the few places where the original short-story version of "Mars is Heaven!" can be found (Bradbury revised it slightly for THE MARTIAN CHRONICLES. Even when it is anthologised as a stand-alone short story, it is usually the CHRONICLES version).

Thanks,fjp, for that very handy set of definitions of SF.


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Reading all these definitions or descriptions of science fiction is fascinating and instructive.

But, as definitions, the overwhelming majority of them are completely wrong.

You cannot define science fiction with such concepts as the future, science or the impact of future science or technology on man (or on society) as necessary ingredients. Not even if some of these ingredients are usually present.

Let me illustrate by example: "Love Is the Plan the Plan Is Death", by James Tiptree, Jr. is a short story that has no humans in it. There is no science. Nothing is invented. Nothing changes. There is no science and certainly no technology. There is no reason to suppose that it takes place in the future.

Yet it is widely accepted to be science fiction, so how does that work? You need an extremely broad definition. Of the ones presented here, I like the Paul Brians "definition" best: "[Science Fiction is:] a subdivision of fantastic literature which employs science or rationalism to create an appearance of plausibility."
 
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I agree, douglasSP. "An appearance of plausibility" is about as close as you can get.

Some of the other definitions are constructed specifically to skew towards a particular "thing" that the definer would like SF to be - Brian Aldiss' bit about "gothic" has always seemed quite unnecessary to me; he adds it mainly to support his argument that FRANKENSTEIN was the first SF novel.


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I should read Aldiss's history again. I have both the "Million" and the "Trillion" versions.

When I first read his idea that Frankenstein was the first SF novel, I thought it was ridiculous, but over the years I've warmed to the idea. It is science fiction in that dr F's experiments, and everything that happens afterwards, are clearly shown to be the result of scientific endeavor.

It doesn't matter that the science is nonsense. Casting the events as the result of scientific experiments affords a fig leaf of rationality and plausibility and as Phil says, that's as much as you can hope for.
 
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Yes, after perusing these attempts at hitting the center of the definitive SF target, I also thought how treacherous such an effort really is. I get this image of several different, thousand piece puzzles being spread out on a literary table at the same time!

Now, go to it. Show me the meaning. Separate all of the colors and shapes and get to work. Still not done? I'm waiting!!!

RE: "An appearance of plausibility" ~ RB's statement I can understand and agree with, "Science fiction is really sociological studies of the future, things that the writer believes are going to happen by putting two and two together."

And he did just that, quite accurately in so many stories, for a very long time.
 
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Of course, Ray also frequently said that science fiction stories had to be possible, and conversely that impossible stories were fantasy.

And hence, for Ray, THE MARTIAN CHRONICLES was fantasy... despite having some appearance of plausibility.


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