I am done with this thread.
I am tired of attempting to have a civil conversation, and then seeing others (in particular, dandelion) be completely incapable of keeping their position separate from their ego so that if their position is shot down, their ego does not go down with it.
In your most recent post, dandelion, you said that "people are innocent until proven guilty" when speaking about Hillary Clinton, yet in your previous post you stated with certainty that Donald Trump "... openly attacked any female he felt like utterly without consent. This has happened twenty times just according to those willing to talk". In addition, you claim with certainty that "Trump's theft by fraud and lying is far more widespread than Clinton's," yet you provide no evidence of such theft and fraud. Finally, you claim with certainty that Donald Trump tied up and raped a 12 year old girl ... because you, presumably, um ... read it on the internet???
Innocent until proven guilty, indeed.
I could go on, like pointing out the fallacy in your Bill "... Clinton merely propositioned women, some of whom took him up on it" line of thought. Let's start with Monica Lewinsky, who was not just a woman he propositioned ... she was a White House intern, an employee over whom he was in a position of power. He would not have had a serious long term legal problem with that if he had not then lied to a grand jury
(which, incidentally, was why he was impeached).
In parting, be advised that Norway is a lovely place to visit -- I strongly recommend it if you have the means, and living there would be quite nice as well ... for now. But it is not the workers' paradise that you seem to envision. I still have several friends in Norway who are in the Norwegian Air Force, and they are having immense issues that have not been seen there before, partly (largely?) because the strong work ethic that has always been a part of Norwegian culture is heaving its final dying breaths. The younger generations are perfectly content to survive off of what the government provides by confiscating an ever growing portion of the fruits of the labors of those who are actually productive. In addition, a large influx of immigrants from the Middle East who do not bring along a work ethic have placed enormous strains on an already strapped social welfare system. The utopia is an illusion, and there is no light at the end of that tunnel.
No need to respond to this message, as I will not read your response. I wish all who might continue to perpetuate this thread the best, and my hope for you is that you come to the realization that life is just too short to expend so much time and energy on hating those with whom you disagree. Wouldn't it be preferable to simply state your differences, perhaps agree to disagree, and at the end of the conversation shake hands and say "farewell"?
He said, "You're -- You're not waiting anymore, are you, Chris?"