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23 April 2009, 02:30 AM
Student norway
The smile
What does Mona Lisas smile symbolize?


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23 April 2009, 07:13 AM
Mr. Dark
That's a good question, Norway. Here's my personal view. The smile--the only piece of the Mona Lisa canvas Tom grabs in the melee where the mob destroys the Mona Lisa as a vestige of a hated past--represents the beauty of the past. In F451, the community of book memorizers represent the preservation of the past in a hostile present in order to recreate a beauty and truth from the past in the future. Tom's capture of the painting's smile will remain with him always, but, as it points out at the end of the story, the smile remains with him in his mind in the darkness. The Smile, I believe, represents imagination, beauty, truth, and hope in the eventual triump of the good. F451 represents that same vision. These people are preserving the good of the past so it can be re-revealed in the future.

I think it also has a "political" component and that is that the history of humanity includes periods where the past is destroyed--this is seen in the story in book burnings, the destruction of the auto, the destruction of the factory that builds the aircraft. It is a pathetic effort to paint the past with a uni-dimensional brush. I think we see that in our own politics with the demonization of the past that is being manifested today. There has been tremendous good in America's past, in addition to her mistakes. I have been saddened by the recent world tour by our new president--the groveling tour. There is much good in America's past. Rather than spit on it--as they did in the Mona Lisa painting--we should celebrate and preserve the good.
23 April 2009, 09:42 AM
Doug Spaulding
quote:
Originally posted by Student norway:
What does Mona Lisa's smile symbolize?

That da Vinci was naked while painting her.


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23 April 2009, 10:12 AM
Student norway
Thank you Mr. Dark it helped alot, but do anyone know why she smiles?


no
23 April 2009, 03:00 PM
Mr. Dark
In my mind, WHY she smiles is more a question on the DaVinci side than the Bradbury side. In this story, I think the smile represents a reaching out of the past with a promise of the future. Originally, it seems to me, it could have meant just about anything. Other thoughts?
23 April 2009, 05:45 PM
jkt
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Dark:
In my mind, WHY she smiles is more a question on the DaVinci side than the Bradbury side. In this story, I think the smile represents a reaching out of the past with a promise of the future. Originally, it seems to me, it could have meant just about anything. Other thoughts?

To me, the smile being the last thing to go represented the final destruction of Art and Humanity.


John King Tarpinian
You know what you are, Mr. Bradbury? ... You are a poet! -- Aldous Huxley
23 April 2009, 06:43 PM
Mr. Dark
I like your reading, John, but I think the retention of the smile and the boy's ability to recognize the beauty of Mona Lisa is a hopeful ending, not a final defeat of art, beauty, and the imagination. I see the ending as hopeful, in spite of the destruction of the Mona Lisa.
23 April 2009, 08:41 PM
jkt
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Dark:
I like your reading, John, but I think the retention of the smile and the boy's ability to recognize the beauty of Mona Lisa is a hopeful ending, not a final defeat of art, beauty, and the imagination. I see the ending as hopeful, in spite of the destruction of the Mona Lisa.

Talk about diametrically opposing ideas. A true testament to Ray’s genius.


John King Tarpinian
You know what you are, Mr. Bradbury? ... You are a poet! -- Aldous Huxley
23 April 2009, 09:31 PM
Mr. Dark
I guess I'm a glass-is-half-full kind of guy. Red Face)

That's one of the things powerful about Ray's writing. His use of symbol and metaphor allows for a variety of interpretations. Of course, based on textual components, we can try to hone in on what his meaning is . . .

Based on careful textual reading, I think mine's right . . . Red Face)

(These are supposed to be smiley faces. I don't know why they come out as red balloons!)
24 April 2009, 02:25 AM
philnic
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Dark:
...(These are supposed to be smiley faces. I don't know why they come out as red balloons!)


"The Smiler" by Ray Bradbury works better than "The Red Face" by Ray Bradbury.


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24 April 2009, 02:34 AM
dandelion
quote:
Originally posted by Student norway:
What does Mona Lisas smile symbolize?


That they didn't destroy the original, but a copy. The original is painted on wood, not canvas.
24 April 2009, 05:35 AM
Mr. Dark
Big Grin Oh, cool.
24 April 2009, 11:08 AM
jkt
quote:
Originally posted by dandelion:
That they didn't destroy the original, but a copy. The original is painted on wood, not canvas.

Ray never worried about man being able to breathe on Mars, either. Metaphors can take literary license with physics. Wink


John King Tarpinian
You know what you are, Mr. Bradbury? ... You are a poet! -- Aldous Huxley
24 April 2009, 11:31 AM
fjp451
Thus, this should cover both metaphors!!

http://www.buyteethwhitener.co...lisa-in-the-Mars.jpg