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Posts: 1964 | Location: McKinney, Texas | Registered: 11 May 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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OK, here are my reactions to the RB/MM affair, three months late. First feelings: chagrin, disappointment, embarassment for RB. Something wrong in his contention, "It's My Title, I'm offended, MM needs to ask me before he plays off it."

I thought: RB does not seem to understand cultural diffusion --- how events, personalities, and artworks enter into the public mind, and become part of each person's private universe, and emerge transformed. Case in point: Marilyn Monroe. Although Marilyn Monroe created her own persona, her image has entered into everyone's imagination, and she has emerged, reworked, in dozens of novels --- which could be called invasive --- such as Norman Mailer's. The term 'Suicide Blonde', though now denoting a familiar type, is part of her legacy. Impersonators appear in nightclubs and tour the country.

As the Bible says, 'Cast your bread upon the waters and it will return to you a thousandfold.' RB's bread is on the waters. The movie title is one way it returns, and it seems singularly ungracious for him to object to what is in effect a tribute. He either cannot or will not understand the processes of cultural fermentation and osmosis; this suggests, at best, a petulant mind setting itself against a natural tide.

Now, if he's expressing dismay because he disagrees with the film's message, then that's another matter, and understandable, and is quite probable, actually, considering his quote from the Swedish interview that I read on another message board at this site. But that sets a large problem for the millions of readers who read his book in their youth and now think that MM's allusion is entirely appropriate. We have to ask, What has changed in this man since the 1950's --- what, and why? How has the former friend of privacy and decency and the intricate flourishing of feeling, layer upon delicately described layer --- how has the enemy of commercial banality, this enemy of the harsh incipient fascism that always lurks at the edge of American politics --- how has this man whom we liked and trusted come to 'go over', lost his bearings?

This problem preyed on my mind for awhile, till some answers floated up from the depths, but this post has been way long enough. To enter the argument that has been raging, let me just say that MM's title is an 'allusion'. Some books in their titles 'allude' to earlier works. Satires usually do this: who can forget National Lampoon's "Tarzan of the Cows"? But RB did it himself in publishing "White Whale, Green Shadows". It was published in 1992; the title alluded to a screenplay that was filmed in 1990. The title of the screenplay was "White Hunter, Black Heart." Both RB's book and the screenplay describe movie-making with that fabulous monster, John Huston; one, "Moby Dick", the other "The African Queen." Were any of the MM-is-a-thief accusers outraged by BRadbury's "theft"? I think not, nor was I. Both titles are a knowing reference, and are enjoyable as such. 'Nuff said.
 
Posts: 34 | Location: houston | Registered: 30 August 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Not getting sucked into an argument on this. It's been beat to death. But the crux of your argument presents a false alternative.
 
Posts: 1964 | Location: McKinney, Texas | Registered: 11 May 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Mr. Dark,

Mega-dittoes. Been there, done that, flogged this topic to death. Just flat out nothing to add to this topic.

Best,

Pete
 
Posts: 547 | Location: Oklahoma City, OK | Registered: 30 April 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Why are we even bringing this up? Everybody knows about that hysterical fit Ray threw over Mike Moore using "his" word. Who does this guy think he is?!

The point is...we need to get off this topic.

--scaryneighbor
 
Posts: 15 | Location: milwaukee, WI, USA | Registered: 04 October 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Uh, scary,
The post you're replying to is nearly a month old, so, who's "bringing this up"?
Requiescat in pace.
 
Posts: 901 | Location: Box in Braling I's cellar | Registered: 02 July 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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scary must be some kind of freak.

You should see his responses to the other topics...

Yeeesh.
 
Posts: 29 | Location: Charlotte, NC, USA | Registered: 06 October 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Certainly seems to display tendencies towards a unique outlook....
 
Posts: 2694 | Location: Dayton, Washington, USA | Registered: 03 December 2001Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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yes, my opinions are unique. and you can just (unfollowable suggestion deleted.)

--scaryneighbor

[This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 10-08-2004).]
 
Posts: 15 | Location: milwaukee, WI, USA | Registered: 04 October 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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WHOA!!!

scary, your opinions may be different than others, but you don't have to be tearing down everybody else!!

Look, if you can't handle people talking about your precious opinions without THEM having an opinion...

GET OVER IT!! GET OFF THIS SITE!!

This site is all about people's opinions! Get used to it.
 
Posts: 29 | Location: Charlotte, NC, USA | Registered: 06 October 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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There's the door. Don't let it hit ya on your way out.
 
Posts: 2694 | Location: Dayton, Washington, USA | Registered: 03 December 2001Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Thank you, dandelion.

At least someone has some common sense around here. But what do you think scary's opinions show about his personality? His outlook on life?

(I wouldn't be saying this if I knew he would read it, but someone else told him to come back in a few years and I think he'll go off in a corner and pout)
 
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